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 Post subject: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 2:34 am 
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What do you think about Ed Dames and his predictions about the future events ?


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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:13 am 
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You might be more specific and supply links to what exactly the predictions are. You can search for Ed Dames, but then you get into a mix of things. Is there a succinct and specific list somewhere? Or do you have to buy in to get anything besides hype?

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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 6:43 am 
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Sorry, being so inaccurate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J2A3Asi0RHQ


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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:28 am 
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He is selling remote viewing lessons, and I'll be darned if I can see a price anywhere. You have to give your email to get info.
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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Sun Mar 31, 2013 11:50 am 
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If they are selling something with a lot of hype and fear factor thrown in, but conceal the price, does that not put your BS meter off scale? How can our governments supposedly know so much with these secret projects but continually 'put their foot in it' in their actions by making the wrong choices?

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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 12:08 am 
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Well, I dont know if telling people that they will most likely to die very soon is the best way to sell anything to them. Aren't these normally sold promising great future ?
Ed Dames has said following about remote viewing:
- If you can download event from the future it is sure to happen. Thus it's not only a probable event.
- You can't read or see numbers by using remote viewing
What does Tom's MBT say about these claims ? What is the difference between astral projection and remote viewing when querying future database ?


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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 3:12 am 
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Tolsku,

Our understanding of the future is that it is the probable future data base, in no way certain. The system constantly projects this data ahead, updating it constantly, and the probabilities continually change, becoming less certain of actual occurrence, going further and further into the future. The probability of what is visualized by viewing that data base is first, subjective, so the person doing the viewing must interpret what is observed subjectively, introducing individual bias and error. Furthermore, the further off into the future, the more uncertainty and potential for the probabilities to change with time and the 'probable' event becomes less probable, diffused, delayed and morphed into something else. Future observations were made at the Monroe Institute when Tom was working there early on. There were some pretty definite predictions made which were gradually changed and put off into something unrecognizable in this way. Tom has been asked about this before and he has described the combined intents of all the participants as creating these modifications to the observed, original data. Free will of the participating IUOCs ultimately prevails. The decisions made at the 'now' moment of time/system state of the LCS, is what determines the future despite any 'guess' the system might have made in the past as to what those decisions might be. As Tom describes it, the system knows its IUOCs very well, enabling it to make very good predictions, in the near future. The system also knows the rule set of PMR very well, being the source for the maintenance of that rule set. But even that aspect of reality is subject to change. The future is not fore ordained and free will, non existent. Free will does exist and the ability of IUOCs to use their Intent to modify the course of the future, to intend change. Nothing is 'written' as this being a deterministic, objective reality but is rather a subjective reality subject to the Intents of the participating IUOCs and even changes by the LCS for its own reasons.

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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Mon Apr 01, 2013 11:13 am 
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To add to what Ted has said there is an example I can use to help the concepts jell. There had been quite a few Free Will Awareness Units (FWAU) from long ago viewing the probable future of 12/21/12. It was going to be a big deal. Nothing happened. But, there was a good sized meteor that passed between the earth and moon a couple/few days after that which in the past very well could have been on a slightly different trajectory. Whether it be from Intent based focus on having other meteors nudge it or random nudges, earthquakes on earth big enough to nudge it slightly like the one in Japan, and other ways that probably future event ended up not happening. Nostradamus accessed the probable future threads all the time is what I'm saying. The events Tom and others saw didn't happen, yeah!
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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 7:15 am 
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Some information about him here: http://www.ufowatchdog.com/ed_dames_1.htm

Some excerpts:

"During the Coast To Coast show, Bell asked McMoneagle the following: "In private moments, you gentlemen have, have you not, referred to Ed Dames as "Dr.Doom?" To which McMoneagle answered, "This was a nickname that was given to him in the unit before he came to us. He was called Dr.Doom over there. He's been predicting doom, death and destruction for years and years and years now." "

Read the rest, basically the others on the remote viewers team pranked him (because of his reputation as Dr. Doom), his target was Santa Claus flying on a sled over the Arctic.. he made it into a terrorist attack on the US.

It would say it's pretty obvious that he twists all his interpretations because he is fearful. He has made numerous predictions about all kind of calamities, none ever becoming true.

My advice is to avoid using any time on people who claim anything of that nature, when there is any hint of them being fearful.


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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 8:32 am 
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To balance the thread a bit I would say that Joe Mcmoneagle is on the neutral standpoint when it comes to remote viewing events/persons. He doesn't go out of his way to view events that cannot be verified with some sort of physical proof.

On the other hand, on the other spectrum we have Courtney Brown who is doing experiments with the public and also with remote viewer "experts in the field" to obtain information that normally you cannot do. Obtaining information from multiple remote viewings shows a kind of "objectivity" to the phenomena. What this means is that when it comes to one "target" being investigated multiple remote viewers attempt to view what the target is. Then they present the data and see if there are any similarities. The data is on the website for everyone to see.

He investigated among many things Atlantis, Jesus Crucifixion, the asteroid belt, climate change (for a number of years) and many others.


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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 9:40 am 
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I ask Joe Mcmoneagle about Courtney Brown when I was at Monroe. He wasn't complimentary and basically said he is a fraud.


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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:10 am 
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Remote viewing into the future seems to be pretty much useless:
- things you view are subject to change
- things you view are most likely misinterpreted
- things you view may happen in different universe

Joe McMoneagle seems to be an remote viewer himself. Why believe him and not the others ?


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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 11:39 am 
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Because Joe was subject to strict protocols that were checked and double checked. He worked in a Remote View government program for years that was successful. Courtney Brown works with not protocols other than his word. That is the difference.


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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:42 pm 
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Sainbury when Tom presents his workshops for "remote viewing" in healing and identifying parts (that have problems within the body) do you see scientific protocols? Does that mean that doing it without any preparations is not effective? Isn't Tom saying that you do not need the tools other than as a help in the beginning? When doing the workshops he is saying that you don't need the ritual in order to be effective. That's just a belief (tool) and it is not fundamental. What's important is that you don't experience the usual chattering in the mind when doing the work and in this way meditation comes handy.

Courtney Brown does use a form of protocol. If you listen to his Audio Course I would say that it is highly rigorous in the way that it is done. I don't know if it is recognized the protocol that he uses which is called Scientific Remote Viewing (SRV) within the other remote viewing communities. I'm sure Joe McMoneagle has his reasons and experience for what he is saying.

Keeping that in mind (Joe's opinion) isn't the whole idea to verify for yourself though? Look through his presentations/audio course and form your opinion instead of saying that is this or that. He has huge amounts of data generated from multiple persons on the same "target". What more can you want?

Like I said what does seem interesting to me is the sessions being done are conducted with the public and with experienced remote viewers to have multiple points of view.

I have one example from Successful Remote Viewing Experiment on TV done by Keith Harary with a production assistant. Some people are more natural skilled than others. It doesn't mean obviously that you don't need to hone your skill through hard work.


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 Post subject: Re: Remote viewing
PostPosted: Tue Apr 02, 2013 12:47 pm 
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Remote viewing into the future seems to be pretty much useless:
- things you view are subject to change
- things you view are most likely misinterpreted
- things you view may happen in different universe

Joe McMoneagle seems to be an remote viewer himself. Why believe him and not the others ?
Actually all of the things that you mentioned are being taken in consideration in Courtney Brown's research.


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