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 Post subject: Darwinism
PostPosted: Thu Aug 22, 2019 8:39 pm 
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mainstream doubts emerging

https://www.dailywire.com/news/50912/wa ... stigiacomo

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 Post subject: Re: Darwinism
PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:32 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Darwinism
PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:45 am 
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If we apply TOE theory to this ....

The non continuous jumps between species
could suggest they are being iterated in
an NPMR simulation, or being designed
by a team of IUOC upper management,
or a combination of both by a superior alien planet PMR
species, and we are their zoo.

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 Post subject: Re: Darwinism
PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 10:58 am 
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He has no idea that untold amount of simulations were allowed to run on fast forward until some provided the resulted protein. It never happened in real time at all. And he has no idea about the random draw collapsing probability waves. So he has to retreat to a God who designed everything to explain the beginning of life.


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 Post subject: Re: Darwinism
PostPosted: Fri Aug 23, 2019 11:27 am 
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There has always been dissent by researchers and academic scientists and other variations of or takes on 'origins' (in a wider sense). It is just suppressed in the mainstream like all things that are not the offical party line.

Here is one recent example of a link I was given (in another forum iirc):

https://dissentfromdarwin.org/

I also do not 'believe' in the (neo-)darwinist view of evolution. More in a wide sense also as used in MBT an which I would call something like 'universal evolution'.

Personally, I like Armin Risi's take on evolution as "involution". Despite Mr. Risi's rather 'esoteric' and also 'theistic' inclinations, for me there are indeed overlaps with MBT theory if you 'transpose' some of the terms and language. It is possible. Have a playful try:

https://science-of-involution.org/en/Involution.html

To be even more controversial (but it's a fun read no matter what you make of it) ;-):

https://www.collective-evolution.com/20 ... e-created/

Also try the books by Michael Cremo, esp. "Forbidden Archeology". He has a 'vedic' take on things but it is very interesting and some of his criticism of early and current evolution 'science' seems justified to me:

http://www.mcremo.com/index.html

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 Post subject: Re: Darwinism
PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:05 am 
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If we apply TOE theory to this ....

The non continuous jumps between species
could suggest they are being iterated in
an NPMR simulation, or being designed
by a team of IUOC upper management,
or a combination of both by a superior alien planet PMR
species, and we are their zoo.
I think all the above is quite likely. I don’t understand how one could believe in the primacy of consciousness and also believe that it had no hand in guiding our development. We are the spirits and aliens. If we’re in a zoo it’s because we’ve put ourselves there, many of our own species seem determined to keep us there. We’ve been playing hide and seek for so long we’ve forgotten there are other games to play. Come out! Come out! Wherever you are! :)


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 Post subject: Re: Darwinism
PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 7:59 am 
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I think there are several layers of intrigue
in this story.

Mostly, it sounds like a “shut up and calculate” parallel

This prof, himself <explicitly a non creationist>, is lamenting
the lack of open scepticism on Darwin.

This is notwithstanding him being a religious Jew.

Ivy League practising Catholic and Jewish profs
are a very different phenomena than the believist creationist primordial bible
thumpers you may see on Fox News.

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 Post subject: Re: Darwinism
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No outside the box thinking allowed. If your a bible thumper your box is the Bible. If you are an Ivy League prof. Your box is Darwin. No difference when practically applied. Both are beliefs.

The same is true of both Fascism and Communism the seeming polar opposites are nothing of the sort. The result is the same, limitation pain and death.


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 Post subject: Re: Darwinism
PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:49 am 
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No outside the box thinking allowed. If your a bible thumper your box is the Bible. If you are an Ivy League prof. Your box is Darwin. No difference when practically applied. Both are beliefs.

The same is true of both Fascism and Communism the seeming polar opposites are nothing of the sort. The result is the same, limitation pain and death.
The trap is also the 'false dichotomy'.

Told from early childhood on, then by education and the media to choose between two sides only, as if nothing else exists. The first step of brainwashing society. You're either this or that, nothing else left. Then go from there and fight 'the other side'.

creationism vs. darwinism
political left vs. political right
socialism vs. capitalism
theism vs. 'a'-theism
traditional vs. multicultural

... the list could go on. Many people only learned to think in labels and in binary black/white-categories.

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 Post subject: Re: Darwinism
PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:21 am 
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No outside the box thinking allowed. If your a bible thumper your box is the Bible. If you are an Ivy League prof. Your box is Darwin. No difference when practically applied. Both are beliefs.

The same is true of both Fascism and Communism the seeming polar opposites are nothing of the sort. The result is the same, limitation pain and death.
The trap is also the 'false dichotomy'.

Told from early childhood on, then by education and the media to choose between two sides only, as if nothing else exists. The first step of brainwashing society. You're either this or that, nothing else left. Then go from there and fight 'the other side'.

creationism vs. darwinism
political left vs. political right
socialism vs. capitalism
theism vs. 'a'-theism
traditional vs. multicultural

... the list could go on. Many people only learned to think in labels and in binary black/white-categories.
It’s almost as if it’s been designed that way on purpose. Like it’s a digital reality or something. ;)


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 Post subject: Re: Darwinism
PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:48 pm 
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It seems like Professor David Gelernter is only just referencing Stephen Meyer's work.

I don't think invoking the lack of transitory fossiled ancestors in the Cambrian explosion really goes against the main principles of Darwinism. It seems like more of an argument against certain statements made by Darwin about evolution being progressive or an incremental process while nothing in the mathematics of evolution necessarily implies changes in the anatomical domain of a species can't be, for example, from one small genetic change which can have a relatively, "large" change in their morphology and structure.

And also, it is not like punctual equilibrium among other theories and unknown variables are not a viable consideration in explaining the lack of fossils in the cambrian explosion, no? I don't think they have to immediately go to intelligent design(from their standards of logic).

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To be even more controversial (but it's a fun read no matter what you make of it) ;-):

https://www.collective-evolution.com/20 ... e-created/

In the NPMR interpretation in that link, McMoneagle's interpretation of a bipedel, proto version of humans existing in the shoreline seems to correspond with an account of the origin of species from someone in the explorer series of the monroe institute who says that species also existed on the shoreline and were aquatic to an unknown degree, among other details. This reference to an aquatic phase in our evolution might explain the lack of hair in humans relative to other apes, our thick subcutaneous fat-layer, stretched hindlimbs, voluntary respiration, etc. - while we are having fun with this idea.

Also in that link, directed panspermia by Francis Crick could be plausible. There is a significant biological importance to oxidized molybdenum in the organic processes of the organisms of earth, yet molybdenum is a rare element on earth. Despite being postulated as crucial to the origins of life, around 3 billion years ago, earth had very little oxygen and the oxidized version could not have been available, according to a study. Same thing with boron but at a time when the earth was likely to have been covered totally by water which would have prevented sufficient concentrations of boron forming while water is also corrosive to RNA. Meanwhile, oxygen and dryland with water were available on Mars, not on earth. It is possible that life began on molybdenum/boron rich environments and was transmitted to Earth through panspermia, whether directed or not.


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 Post subject: Re: Darwinism
PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 10:51 pm 
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I don't think they have to immediately go to intelligent design(from their standards of logic).
Yet here you are. Debating on a forum dedicated to the primacy of consciousness. Of course there’s random stuff. We can’t know everything from within the fishbowl. Give yourself some credit. You knew what you were doing didn’t you?

I think we did have an aquatic phase. Were we human then? Are we human now? What will the next phase be? I tingle with anticipation! :)


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Yet here you are. Debating on a forum dedicated to the primacy of consciousness
This is a complete non-sequitur to what I was saying. I am also not, "debating" intelligent design. What are you trying to express with this comment? Or are you just confused?

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Of course there’s random stuff. We can’t know everything from within the fishbowl. Give yourself some credit. You knew what you were doing didn’t you?
Again a non-sequitur. What are you even saying.


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 Post subject: Re: Darwinism
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This is a complete non-sequitur to what I was saying. I am also not, "debating" intelligent design. What are you trying to express with this comment? Or are you just confused?
Perhaps I’m confused, it seemed to me you were.

According Tom, myself and many others we choose to be here. It implies you knew what you were doing when you chose to incarnate here, at least to some degree.


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According Tom, myself and many others we choose to be here. It implies you knew what you were doing when you chose to incarnate here, at least to some degree.
It is my current understanding, that our choices and beliefs even outside of PMR still play a role in our future experiences, if that what you were saying for the most part VB ?


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