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Having recently come across Thomas Campbell's big TOE and being able to relate to it in many ways I think some may find my own efforts of interest.
Although the words "Abstraction" and "Physics" seem to be on the opposite side of a spectrum, there is actually a physics to creating and using abstractions.

Who'd thought "nothing" is so valuable and powerful in mathematics, but a fool? Said a Roman Numeral Accountant, in dismissing the Hindu-Arabic Decimal System "zero" place holder.
And so it is with Abstraction Physics, what may seem a contradiction is instead quite empowering.

As the contents of the white board of consciousness is of abstraction and considering there are those who believe the contents of the blackboard of existence originates from consciousness or in parallel with the contents of consciousness, it only stands to reason there is something common between the contents of Consciousness and Existence. Something that exist in both abstract and physical realities, simultaneous, symbiotic. When the void became aware of itself it split into consciousness and existence, both with ability to hold and change content and the link between the two...... Abstraction Physics and its action constants in a Configuration of Virtual Interaction. And here are some Concepts on rule set creation, usage and changing.

I haven't read the MBTOE books, only seen the 18 set youtube videos. Perhaps Abstraction Physics details are mechanically fitting into MBTOE?
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Hi 3seas, and welcome to Tom's MBT discussion forums. I LOVE physics. Thank you for the data, I'll check it out today, probably. Welcome again.

Very interesting stuff here. Are you the author of this Wiki?
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Bette, yes.
I'm the principle person regarding the identification of abstraction physics and its configuration and in terms of computer functionality.

How I came to find Thomas Campbell's big TOE was that one thing lead to another in my search for better understanding of how it is, more often than coincidence allows, my thoughts convert or manifest into reality.
I have a blog Abstract Beliefs, I started beginning of the year which contains mention of such experiences, efforts to understand and more.

Thomas's perspective I appreciate in terms of making a connection between our science and consciousness. But I also must admit a yellow flag went up when I learned he's been involved in missile defense for these past twenty years and in consideration of Missile Malfunctions and his lack of interest in UFO's. And there is also how to remove terrorist and other potentially destructive motivations via what the world wants., with the big question of why is this not being done? But instead things like the Trillion Dollar Bet happen which have repercussions of financial downfalls across S.E. Asia and Worldcm's & Enron's and 9/11 response w/media threatened by US Military with anthrax...etc.. the Political Financial Military Intelligence wearing tunnel vision blinders about what they do. There seems to be something of a contradiction here. Or perhaps its how he balances his personal devil and christ being... shrug...

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Wow, you are way off track with your beliefs about Tom, but that will take you meeting Tom to understand for yourself. Tom has been useful in proactive information to prevent tragedies in our space programs, and to defend against harm from missiles. Your yellow flags are kind of silly, you worry because he's not interested in UFOs? You should probably worry more about your own worries, and you probably have several, rather than judge a person on what they aren't interested in worrying about, right?

Then you expect Tom can suddenly and single-handedly save the world from nefarious secret shit, and wonder why he hasn't gotten around to that yet correlating the fact that Tom has not suddenly created a different Reality for ALL OF US with him being in on it. You probably should check yourself before you wreck yourself, you know? Get real, and you may learn a lot here.
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bette wrote:Wow, you are way off track with your beliefs about Tom, but that will take you meeting Tom to understand for yourself. Tom has been useful in proactive information to prevent tragedies in our space programs, and to defend against harm from missiles. Your yellow flags are kind of silly, you worry because he's not interested in UFOs? You should probably worry more about your own worries, and you probably have several, rather than judge a person on what they aren't interested in worrying about, right?

Then you expect Tom can suddenly and single-handedly save the world from nefarious secret shit, and wonder why he hasn't gotten around to that yet correlating the fact that Tom has not suddenly created a different Reality for ALL OF US with him being in on it. You probably should check yourself before you wreck yourself, you know? Get real, and you may learn a lot here.
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over 7 billion people on this planet. those playing with missiles, certainly make up the large majority, Perhaps 6.9 billion or better?
almost all people are to busy with life to mess with missiles, but who pays for it and why?

Spoiled kids with war toys....
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3seas wrote:
bette wrote:Wow, you are way off track with your beliefs about Tom, but that will take you meeting Tom to understand for yourself. Tom has been useful in proactive information to prevent tragedies in our space programs, and to defend against harm from missiles. Your yellow flags are kind of silly, you worry because he's not interested in UFOs? You should probably worry more about your own worries, and you probably have several, rather than judge a person on what they aren't interested in worrying about, right?

Then you expect Tom can suddenly and single-handedly save the world from nefarious secret shit, and wonder why he hasn't gotten around to that yet correlating the fact that Tom has not suddenly created a different Reality for ALL OF US with him being in on it. You probably should check yourself before you wreck yourself, you know? Get real, and you may learn a lot here.
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over 7 billion people on this planet. those playing with missiles, certainly make up the large majority, Perhaps 6.9 billion or better?
almost all people are to busy with life to mess with missiles, but who pays for it and why?

Spoiled kids with war toys....
What are you talking about Timothy? Or on the other hand, with almost 7 billion units of humans here, why are you pin-pointing Tom for whatever it is you are talking about. I mean I kind of can see what you are thinking because it is sort of obvious even though you play around, but what are you talking about? Do you even know what you mean?
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3seas,


I'll agree with Betty about your views of Tom Campbell.
They are easily correctable. Are you interested ?

Regarding Tom's non-interest in UFO's, I'll parrot Bette:
bette wrote:Your yellow flags are kind of silly, you worry because he's not interested in UFOs?
You might find it valuable to search this site for 'UFO' related posts here, if you haven't already. I've posted my Close Encounter of the Second Kind (wiki) here and there are others. I understand Tom's perspective regarding UFO's quite readily and it seems quite natural in light of his path, to me.

Hope you are willing to learn accurate information.
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Tom post what he does about himself and its not much to go on and why I didn't raise a red flag.
You can earn a good living playing poker, but do you really want to subject yourself to that mindset?

It is my personal belief that those in UFO's don't approve of our waring and certainly not our Nuclear Warheads.
I suspect the malfunction mentioned in the Reuters article was of such a nature to get those humans in control to realize they aren't.
Perhaps that is why Tom has little interest in UFO's. Perhaps he knows that they will intervene should WW III start up and this is something we have known since 1952.

Military budgets are sickening massive. And its been determined that a human being is worth only about $100,000 each,. by military mindset.

There are no boogeymen, there are non of the evils militarys claim to be protecting the people from, but only people who respond to wrongs being done to them, just as you would too. Its cost a great deal less to simply fix real problems.

We have doubles the population since the early 1970's and we will double it again within 30 more years. There is no more room for kids with war toys.
there are no exceptions to this.
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All A'sea,

You seem to be all a'sea with your opinions and rants.

The purpose of these forums is the discussion of the work of and the books by Tom Campbell, My Big TOE.

There are specific forums for rants and for raves and one for general ramblings.

There are many other forums elsewhere on other web sites for advocating most anything that you can think of.

You are welcome here on these terms.

No one is likely to be willing to learn your idiosyncratic terminology to hear you rant more clearly. If you are not interested in the zeitgeist here and learning how to communicate with us on our terms, then I think that you are wasting your time and our time. You are unlikely to attract a significant audience here and you have accomplished your mission to the extent that you have posted links to your web site pages here. Much of what you have to say makes no sense and you do not appear to be willing to hear anything other than as you consider it to be. Cutting edge physicists and mathematicians discuss their and his work with Tom Campbell and he continues to work as a consulting physicist. If you have any standing as a physicist to provide credence for your ideas, please present them. Otherwise consider that it is appropriate for you to start reading and listening at this time instead of grandstanding.

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About your problem with Tom and missile defence, read this to clarify:

antonatree: "Do you not find a conflict of interest between what you do for a living (missile systems development, if I gather correctly) and what you edify in your book?
Doesn't the entropy of YOUR consciousness get shaken up by the mere knowledge of the destructive consequences that your work may bring upon this world?"

Tom: "There is no conflict of interest, nor any destructive consequences, related to my work. It is your assumptions and beliefs that make it appear so.

This topic has been addressed before in this forum -- several times -- but here it is again:

I do not, nor have I ever, worked on weapons of any sort. I Worked only on defensive systems. The technology involved in defensive systems is entirely different than the technology needed for weapon systems. Defensive systems simply protect populations from offensive systems. I work for NASA now.

In particular, I have worked on sensor systems for defensive missiles. The defensive missiles I have worked on have but one function (and their technology is good for nothing else -- has no offensive application), and that is to destroy incoming nuclear warheads and thereby potentially save the lives of a few hundred million innocent victims. It would be better if there were no Nuclear warheads but that is not the world we live in. Defending innocent noncombatants who cannot defend themselves from such a threat is not immoral. Pretending that the ugly stuff will disappear on its own and that it is not my problem and I should distance myself from it (it is not going to go away any time soon in our culture) does little to improve the situation and leaves the larger population at risk. I would rather that the money spent on missile defense were spent on other things that would have a bigger effect on the well being and security of the population but that is not my choice to make, though I lobby for it every chance I get.

Over the last several decades I have lived and worked in a fragile democracy within a political culture flirting with fascism. I have found that fighting fascist attitudes and mind-sets within the system is much more effective from inside the system than any sort of gesture that can be made from outside the system, or from simply withdrawing from the system. Go to your enemy and your oppressor and change them with argument and love and good example - or separate yourself from your enemy, call them names, or shake your fist and holler. The first is much more difficult, but has a good chance of making a positive difference while the second is easy (and thus the method of choice for most of us) but ineffective given the circumstances in the real world -- at worst it devolves to posturing in order to stroke a self-righteous ego and more often than not makes things worse by justifying, unifying, and entrenching the enemies position.

If you are not part of the solution, doing the best you can to make a difference, then you are part of the problem. It takes all kinds working from various angles and approaches to change cultural and individual attitudes. It is more effective if we spread out and work through as many channels and directions as possible - each doing as much, and being as effective, as he/she has the opportunity to be.

Tom"

From viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4138&p=15459

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Tom:
"fellini141,

The Facts:

I do not work for the Army, I work for NASA

Some years ago I worked in strategic missile defense [mostly in sensor technology development (e.g., radars) and in systems risk/vulnerability analysis). Strategic missile defense has no purpose other than to defend civilian population by destroying incoming nuclear warheads. Defensive missile technology does not apply to offensive missile systems.

30 years ago I worked for army technical intelligence -- we studied foreign military electronic systems technology to see what we could learn but primarily to find ways to counter foreign offensive systems.

I am not a pacifist -- being able to defend one's self is sometimes necessary. One might argue that having a good defense may encourage the use of offence. That can be true but is not necessarily true -- it depends entirely on the quality of the leadership. The quality of leadership comes and goes but over the last 30 years it has been generally responsible - with some notable exceptions. Over the last 30 years, especially in strategic missile defense, having some minimal defense of civilian population has not emboldened offense.

Tom C"

From: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=3646&start=0

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(This post could be used as a reference for future doubts about Tom and missile defence)

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You should do some searching on UFO's on this board, a fresh perspective might be valuable.
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The simplest and most direct solution to this apparent reoccurring problem is for Tom to either remove reference to missile defense systems or to clarify, perhaps elaborate on his position in this matter, where on this website anyone would logically find information under the heading of "About the Author".

There is something else that has come up in this thread, that may not be so obvious to some. To use an analogy, the Catholic church has an ongoing issue, but its not an isolated issue and this brings up the question of how is it this particular problem can be so wide spread? Obviously so wide spread that there is no conspiracy or collusion or otherwise organized knowledge between those in the church committing the given wrongs. The answer is simple, and to use another analogy, how is it those who only use Roman Numeral based Mathematics can't do algebra?

The point is, any rule set, be it numbers or philosophy (including personal) or laws etc. when played out in full scope, will expose its failures in a manner consistent with its holographic and fractal nature.

What has played out here, become exposed, regarding Tom's "About the Author" text and the comments left here?
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There is nothing to expose because no body is hiding anything, and no, hiding is not that answer. The problem is in the minds of the few that have problems with Tom's experiences in missile defence. All the clarity is provided in the links provided, you have Absolute Free Will as to whether you will find it.
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A'sea,

Funny that you should comment on information not being present in this web site's 'About the Author' section without apparently actually looking there. If you return to the web site and click on the link to that section or alternatively to this link, http://www.my-big-toe.com/index.php?opt ... &Itemid=54 one finds the following information.

"During that same time period, he has excelled as a working scientist, a professional physicist dedicated to pushing back the frontiers of cutting edge technology, large-system simulation, technology development and integration, and complex system vulnerability and risk analysis. Presently, and for the past 20 years, he has been at the heart of developing US missile defense systems."

What exactly is your problem other than a desire to be contrary and probably disruptive? What is missing from this description that is significant? A full description and multi-page listing of the CV of an author is not normally included but rather a relatively short summary paragraph as has been done here. Particularly when much such work has been done under government contract and as related to defense, is classified. Tom Campbell has stated that he is not a pacifist on these forums before and nothing is being hidden other than as is so required by law and your highly cryptic style of writing that implies much but clearly states little to nothing. What pray tell is your cryptic reference to the Catholic church about and what relation does it have to the price and availability of manure on the open market?

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Ted, perhaps you should spend some time in the fear and ego section of this BB that you are an administrator of.
You are free to change your interpretation of my words any time you choose. Or perhaps your interpretation is a result of following MBT?
For it certainly seem you are trying to provoke me into having some sort of, metaphorically speaking, missile defense system.

Does that answer your question Bette as to what is exposed?

I was not the one who pointed out that this issue has happened before and apparently enough to warrant a correction.

Those who attack or otherwise do others wrong know they need a defense for probable and expected retaliation.
To continue to provoke a problem, when informed of an issue in need of correction and refuse to make the correction.....

Seems to me there is enough context published by Tom to make the correction to "About the Author" which is obviously what I read that raised the yellow flag.... apparently again.

But should it be useful to provoke a retaliation, then it becomes a calculated game of chess. But where losing can mean winning.
Or so that is what happened with the trillion dollar bet, the problem it was causing was communicated plenty, but ignored and why Ted Turner publically stated that 9/11 was and act of desperation. Why the World banks offer of a loan with interest charges was turned down, etc... And of what use was a missile defense system when the political authorities had the military distracted , etc...

But now I'm confused. Does or does not Tom currently work in missile defense system, regardless of who writes his paycheck?

I joined this board because I found interest in Toms work that I believed can help me with matters regarding my own experiences and given my own work, it seemed to fit so well that I thought others might be interested in what may very well be the filling of of some missing details of what Tom presents.

Abstraction Physics is all about the mechanics of the use of abstractions. Its about the gears and bearings of applied abstraction. Such as the sequences of abstraction used in this thread topic posts. Abstraction Physics is also part of what Tom promotes, whether he realizes it or not, for it is the non physical matter of consciousness, and it doesn't have to be just words but anything that an abstract representation of something, unless of course it represents it's abstract self.

Tom Talked about "Intent" in his videos. But apparently there is interpretation that can influence perceived intent, which obviously can be different than actual intent.

It is not my intent to challenge Tom, but only understand from where he is coming from. The why I read the "About the Author" that then caused, for me, a yellow flag to raise. And given Teds response, perhaps its not without reason.


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Yes people have interpreted the information concerning Tom's use of his physics education as being somehow mutually exclusive with being a decent person enough times to notice, but that doesn't mean Tom has done something to hide. It just means 1 out of however many people interprets this that way. You do play with ambiguity, play word games requiring others to pull out your question, that is probably what tripped Ted's BS trigger. I has been tripped, try saying what you mean and meaning what you say and there will be less tripping, okay?
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