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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 12:57 am 
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If a memory is maintained by a conscious avatar, it is maintained. If it is only stored in the past actualized data base, a new draw is made from the probability if that is simpler and faster for the rendering engine stage rather than a reference to memory. This has been discussed extensively on the board in the past.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 4:42 am 
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One of those things that's hard to understand(or accept) because it's so counterintuitive. Guess some knowledge of programming would help.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:02 am 
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There are two concepts here (when talking about the dinosaur bones) that I had to understand to fully grasp the MBT model.

First, we look at something like tools/clothes in glaciers and do some dating on them that says they are from the stone age and we automatically believe there was a person in the stone age who posessed that very object exactly as it is and lost it, only to be found here and now by us. Second, we believe the tools/clothes were there in that glacier and 'existed' there the whole intervening time between the stone age and now. Like they were just sitting there waiting to be found.


For the former, this is a virtual reality. Were there actual human beings that existed thousands of years ago, or more specifically a human who wore that specific item that was lost just as it appears to us now when found? Maybe, but maybe not. It's a simulation. It can be started and run from any point in "history".

For the latter, the fact that these objects appear in melting glaciers is not set in stone. Or at least, not appearing exactly a certain way. That is, there never were any tools in the first place, much less tools being buried in a glacier that nobody could see. MBT says there was no stone age mitten buried under the glaciers being rendered all this time. There was only some probability that a mitten should be found there. Over time sooner or later as the ice melts a random draw is taken that says "here will be found a mitten". So they find a mitten there. If you rewind time and the first scientist to walk through that area comes through again, there is no guarantee that he would have found a mitten just as it was found the first time. Or even a mitten at all. Perhaps he would find a mitten 50 feet away from that spot, or a mitten there but of a different color or size. The details don't need to be stored. Only the probability. The details are rendered only when a player requests them.

This creates a paradox in most peoples minds: how does the mitten pop in and out of existence? That doesn't make sense right? Once again we are caught up in the material realist worldview, trapping ourselves in a way of thinking. Just as there is no photon in a double slit experiment, no double slit experiment at all, no moon and no planet earth, there never was a mitten. It never existed. There really is no mitten existing now. It's a probabilistic virtual reality. Everything we experience is only a data stream being rendered to us via a probabilistic calculation/random draw as needed.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:39 am 
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So 'The London Hammer'

http://www.historicmysteries.com/the-london-hammer/

If legitimately "embedded in rock formation dating from the Cretaceaus Period (65-135 million years ago)", that would seem like some far out probability calculations. Whats yours take on that? Glitch? Implies a probable human civilization dating back then?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 7:47 am 
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The thing to keep in mind is that there never was a mitten as a physical object nor a prehistoric person to wear it as a physical body. There was only and ever the perception by an IUOC of being that prehistoric person having the experience of wearing that mitten and losing it to be found later by someone unknown in the far future. That is how a Virtual Reality works. It is never anything but the experience of an avatar of an IUOC. They don't wear clothes, they experience themselves as existing and wearing clothes.

So since it is just a simulation, it can be simulated in the easiest manner for the benefit of simplicity for the IUOCs serving as The Big Computer which create that simulation. TBC won't be deliberately untrue to what happened in the past, but if it's a simulation, why not do the easy thing if it is entirely equivalent to what once was simulated in the past.

Regarding the 'hammer', obvious uncertainties exist and this is clearly not a prehistoric tool.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 8:26 am 
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So 'The London Hammer'

http://www.historicmysteries.com/the-london-hammer/

If legitimately "embedded in rock formation dating from the Cretaceaus Period (65-135 million years ago)", that would seem like some far out probability calculations. Whats yours take on that? Glitch? Implies a probable human civilization dating back then?
I'd say it's likely that the hammer is either a hoax or a misunderstanding or both. There seems to be really no idea of how old the Rock is. Is it 65-100 something million or 500 million or 200 years? Also, it's really impossible to tell for sure but from the picture it looks like the Rock was carved out and the hammer placed in the carved out space. The hammer isn't really encased in rock as I'd expect it to be. I think this is more of a sculpture than an archeological find.

Crazy people(or simply ignorant people) might try to use this as evidence of creationism, little do they know that our VR was indeed created but just not how they think it was. ;)


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Ok, the hammer sucks. But there are some other out-of-place, unexplained artifacts that no avatar (unless beyond earth?) could have a memory of. Does folklore have an impact?


The Russian Nano Spirals
https://hague6185.wordpress.com/2014/01 ... o-spirals/

The Baigong Pipes
http://io9.gizmodo.com/who-built-these- ... 1258396051



These are highly improbable. Past life memory in earth avatar? Or an existing alien avatar? Unless glitch? Or deliberate awe-inducing mind-opening 'interventions'. (Latter is of course the MBT consensus. You're getting away too easy with this loophole). Other thoughts?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 9:52 am 
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Ok, the hammer sucks. But there are some other out-of-place, unexplained artifacts that no avatar (unless beyond earth?) could have a memory of. Does folklore have an impact?


The Russian Nano Spirals
https://hague6185.wordpress.com/2014/01 ... o-spirals/

The Baigong Pipes
http://io9.gizmodo.com/who-built-these- ... 1258396051



These are highly improbable. Past life memory in earth avatar? Or an existing alien avatar? Unless glitch? Or deliberate awe-inducing mind-opening 'interventions'. (Latter is of course the MBT consensus. You're getting away too easy with this loophole). Other thoughts?
Aliens obviously...

All of the options you mention are possible. Although without more information there really isn't anything useful we can do with this information. The pieces of the puzzle may come together eventually but until then all we can do is say to ourselves "interesting" and file the information away for possible later use. Until then it's just random speculation.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:00 am 
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It's exactly that past actualized database that makes it puzzling why the computer stream wouldn't use/base probabilites on those factual items instead of random probable ones.
This is one of those paradigm jumps you have to make to understand a virtual reality. And I have to say it took me awhile, and unhinged me a bit, when I really started to get it.

For more understanding try:
viewtopic.php?f=9&t=3043&p=6797&hilit=island#p6797

AND:

US Space and Rocket Center Pt 1/3 YouTube video. Go to about 1 hour into the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IcxeEaO ... ibCRsMi_IM


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Forgive, the Baigong pipes has apparently been 'debunked'. There are other examples though. The giant spheres of costa rica. And voynich manuscript (maybe not very challenging to explain mbt-wise). The antikythera mechanism is more puzzling. The Baghdad batteries? The dodecahedra?


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:39 am 
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thanks for input!


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 10:56 am 
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Not sure I agree with that approach, Virtual Brain.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 01, 2016 11:48 am 
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A lot of things like crop circles are just the LCS trying to wake up the larger population that there is more than the physical reality they think they live in. It is just a gigantic nudge. In a digital reality, there doesn't need to be anyone actually making a crop circle. It can just be added to the data stream.


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That's an interpretation. A theory Tom puts forth, in practice explaining everything unexplainable. You use it dogmatically. Doesn't make for a very good conversation.


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Is woo-woo hand waving preferable or speculation about alien beings from Arcturus that put us here to watch us develop or perhaps manipulate us for their amusement? Our story is that this is a virtual reality where we reincarnate continually for development of both ourselves individually and our United selves as AUM. You lays down your money and you makes your bet.

We as the management here do not consider ourselves to be here on this board for idle conversation and speculation but to pass on and accurately maintain what Tom Campbell teaches.

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