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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:29 pm 
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I'm surprised that not many people have mentioned the work of Dolores Cannon here. She was a hypnotist who put people completely under and was able to reach the "subconscious" mind, perhaps in our vernacular, the IUOC. She gathered many insights this way, and published ~20 books. She discusses the phenomenon of a "new earth," how a global shift is occurring NOW in which FWAUs are finally gaining "consciousness," perhaps meaning a greater awareness of the IUOC and the LCS. This is supposed to result in a global segment of earth's population transitioning to a new "reality frame," one of beauty and peace. Has Tom spoken of any phenomenon, or does anyone here know of any such thing? Apparently, ETs have channeled through her subjects and have also corroborated that this is a momentous time for the entire LCS.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 2:43 pm 
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This PMR is a fast-track reality trainer. The goal is not to advance in a huge group to a better reality. Instead you slog individually up the evolution ladder with your interactions with other beings - Intents, decisions, and feedback. What she advocated is just wishful thinking from someone who thought this reality is too hard.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 11, 2017 3:38 pm 
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Dolores Cannon, and her ideas, have been brought up here before, 3 to 5 years ago:

https://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewt ... rth#p77721

https://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewt ... rth#p52819

It is conceivable that Dolores Cannon's sources are latching onto the MBT project as it is unfolding and clearly there is more to what is going on than what Tom Campbell was told about when he first embarked on this work. There are many players in this from the LCS and they work at different levels and perceive things from different levels and in different ways/metaphors. Then there are the management levels of the LCS who can be responding to the dynamics of the situation as they develop. Tom deliberately does not seek 'future' information from the future from the future probable data base but reacts to Reality as it unfolds. This is a characteristic of the P/perceiving personality. Remember that Tom is an INTP Rational Architect (of systems and not houses) and there are only about 1% of them in the population. Note the following quotation from Dr. David Keirsey's book on personality types:
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Architects exhibit the greatest precision in thought and language of all the types. They tend to see distinctions and inconsistencies in thought and language instantaneously, and can detect contradictions in statements no matter when or where the statements were made. Only sentences that are coherent carry weight with them, and thus authority derived from office, credential, or celebrity does not impress them. Like the ENTPs, INTPs are devastating in debate or any form of adversarial discussion, their skill in differential analysis giving them an enormous advantage in discrediting their opponents' arguments and in structuring their own. They regard all discussions as a search for understanding, and believe their function is to eliminate inconsistencies, no matter who is guilty of them. It is difficult for an INTP to listen to nonsense, even in a casual conversation, without pointing out the speaker's error, and this makes communication with them an uncomfortable experience for many. This type of Rational is the logician, the mathematician, the technologist, the scientist-that person given to any pursuit that requires architectonics, systems analysis, or structural design. Mind you, architecting is not the Artisan's fitting of physical shapes into pleasing forms, but the more abstract process of designing models. For the Architect, the model is the thing, whether a two, three, or four dimensional model.
Tom Campbell has actually overcome the negative aspects of this description to deal with the public in preparing for his role in this incarnation. But as a Perceiver, he does deal with things as they are and thus advises us to interact and then deal with the feedback. Dolores Cannon is of unknown personality type but she is obviously seeking information through a 'back door' rather than Perceiving what comes along. I suspect that has a lot to do with why what she has to say has not received that much reaction here when what we have here already is a veritable model of the nature of Reality and how it works. What might happen is to be Perceived/observed when and if it happens.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 10:38 am 
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In reading Dolores Cannon's books, I would say that she is more of a messenger who gives her take based on her perceptions and to an extent tinged with some of her personal beliefs not really a sage/teacher. Additionally as Tom as said many many times, the way we describe what is, are metaphors which are highly subjective and we always need to seek OUR own answers and question what we learn (validate). I used a lot of Ms. Cannons insights to actually get a better understanding of Tom's MBT model, but I did not take everything she said literally and I did not interpret the same as you may have, for example the "New Earth". I was also able to somehow "click" with the parallels between what Cannon writes to MBT.

I think this is where an individual has to seek their own understanding. Tom is the only source I have found to explain consciousness down to the lowest common denominator (i.e. science). However, I was only able to understand Tom's metaphor (MBT) after reading works by others including Cannon. I have begun reading the Corpus Hermetica and it reads to me literally as being very similar to MBT. We have different metaphors to describe what is, and nowadays better analogies. Try explaining what a virtual reality is 3-4 thousand years ago! Even a century ago.

Anyway back to New Earth. I have compartmentalized her take on it for further insight/validation. But my sense is that the peaceful new earth she perceived is simply not this PMR. Additionally, the "planets and aliens" she talks about are her interpretations of the perceptions of different lives in different VRs. So as I mentioned before I think her pre-exisiting beliefs do get transferred into the experiences she describes but her insights are certainly not without merit, as it was only after reading and watching some of her videos did I understand completely some of Tom's MBT.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 11:16 am 
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It is conceivable that Dolores Cannon's sources are latching onto the MBT project as it is unfolding and clearly there is more to what is going on than what Tom Campbell was told about when he first embarked on this work. There are many players in this from the LCS and they work at different levels and perceive things from different levels and in different ways/metaphors. Then there are the management levels of the LCS who can be responding to the dynamics of the situation as they develop.
Agreed! I had never even heard of this woman before, and randomly found out about her at a time when certain aspects of MBT were confusing to me. My subjective interpretation of her experiences made MBT clearer.Thanks Ted.


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 13, 2017 8:35 pm 
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"She discusses the phenomenon of a "new earth," how a global shift is occurring NOW in which FWAUs are finally gaining "consciousness," perhaps meaning a greater awareness of the IUOC and the LCS. "

I am not sure what the meaning of gaining "consciousness" means, but from what i have been show there is likely a big shift happening.

"This is supposed to result in a global segment of earth's population transitioning to a new "reality frame," one of beauty and peace. Has Tom spoken of any phenomenon, or does anyone here know of any such thing? Apparently, ETs have channeled through her subjects and have also corroborated that this is a momentous time for the entire LCS."

With our new understanding of how reality works and technology eliminating all of the mundane work, earth will be a much nicer place. People will be able to pursue knowledge here, do things the are interested in and not be concerned with survival. Take where I live in Ontario Canada for example, the government is already looking at implementing a "minimum income" or "basic income" for everyone, possibly in a couple of years. It will likely be much better place to learn and grow.. From the information I was given, much of this has to do with technology.. Think of what the internet has done, for example, allowed us to learn about the true nature of reality, MBT, and share information

I was not seeking this information at the time, but it was shown to me. It is a likely/possible situation for earth. Not sure about the entire LCS.

we can help push this along through social media and our daily interactions.. send a link to Tom's work.. tell people you meet about Tom's work..


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Aren't you kind of ignoring the authoritarian 35% of the population and that there is at present a peak in the cycle of Fascist/Nazis/authoritarianism going on in countries around the world including here in the US? It will take a long string of incarnations of these IUOCs to convert them to the new type of personality types of more modern IUOCs to fit them to live in a modern, cooperative world instead of a tribal one where each tribe is antagonistic to the other tribes and tribal antagonism is rampant. Tribal personality types are antagonistic to the 'others', the 'outsiders' while the personality types first reported by Aristotle are designed to create types who are designed to interact cooperatively in modern differentiated city and nation states. Tribal antagonisms are fitted to small groups using bows and arrows and spears and knives, not where each tribe is nuclear armed as we are at present.

This is another version of pie in the sky bye and bye. People once thought, who I knew some slightly, that it was a sure thing that they as 'faithful Christians' would be 'raptured up' into heaven leaving the dregs/rejects and all other religions to fight it out here on earth, presumably. There have been numerous groups under authoritarian leaders who have committed mass murder/suicides expecting the end of the world which did not happen so they acted violently in disappointment when their authoritarian leader said to do so.

Now things could theoretically happen rapidly if the LCS leadership decided to do so. In a virtual reality, all you have to do is reprogram TBC to divide the participating IUOCs into two instead of one VR, placing all the sheep in one and all the goats in the other as they said long ago versus the Rats and anti-Rats that Tom Campbell talks about. But that would interfere with the purpose of our PMR as it presently exists. Push the big Reset button for the earth version of PMR. But we do not know how far into the margins this possibility is so we must keep trying to learn to not let the authoritarian anti-rats manipulate themselves into a position of control and the majority who are prepared to live in cooperative societies take over running the world and all of the sub societies into which it is divided.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:37 am 
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Thanks for the enlightening comments, Ted. I found this particularly useful, in understanding Tom's approach to MBT:
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This aligns with a video I recently watched, describing his attitude towards ETs and other paranormal phenomena: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY7A5n6-Rog and (slightly longer) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhDUjaqy8bY .

His main points were 1) Just because a phenomena is physical does not mean it had a physical source (i.e., the LCS could be responsible). 2) He has encountered beings who claim to be aliens, but how can he be sure they are true ETs vs. the LCS providing that experience to him. 3) What is the point of trying to figure out if there are ETs? It is an exercise in ego gratification and not in entropy reduction. (Although he does acknowledge that the greater decision space with interactions with ETs could be helpful in continually growing our own consciousness.

This can be applied to Dolores' work also. She had verrry strange things happen in her hypnosis/past life regression sessions. (Supposedly, Nostradamus spoke to Dolores through her hypnotized subject when she was a student of his, insisting that he was not a mirage, or a ghost, but it was HIM, he was living NOW in HIS lifetime.) She had her hypnotized subjects (they are completely unconscious) regress to a past lifetime, and they were aliens, and had come to earth to help it grow its consciousness. She regressed subjects who seemed to have alien abduction experiences but who could not remember what happened (cases of skipping a few hours). She regresses them throughout the entire experience of what they went through, and indeed it was an "alien abduction," although she describes them as completely benign, helpful and mind-bending experiences.

It could be that all of the above is true. It could also be that the LCS is providing her with information that jolts us into believing the universe is not what it seems. It seems difficult to tell, not only reading it as a 3rd person, but having no way of verifying it either way.

I suppose we chalk this up to the unknowable, ego-gratification story.

Finally, I've got to say, that the notion of the New Earth was jolting to me. (Growing up as a fundamentalist Christian, I suppose the idea spoke to me.) It made me switch my diet (Mostly raw fruits/veggies, and vegetarian), it made me want to be conscious at every moment of every day. So perhaps the LCS got exactly what it wanted.


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PostPosted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 11:46 pm 
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I found an interesting recording

https://www.monroeinstitute.org/explorer-series

Number 16 sounds like Tom TC when he was younger Mr. Monroe is asking questions about ETs and Tom mentions some kind of earth changes coming and non physical beings were gathering to observe.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 12:24 am 
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Yes, that was Tom Campbell at a younger age, just beginning his career as a physicist just out of Graduate School and referred to as TC in those records when he was assisting Robert Monroe set up his laboratory and start TMI, The Monroe Institute. He and others assisting Bob also acted as his guinea pigs in the research as they developed the techniques eventually used by TMI to teach out of body travel. That is where hemi-synch recordings began.

Remember that that information that Tom Campbell was observing came from the probable future data base and occurred in the past of nearly 50 years ago. I can't remember whether Tom posted about it later or it was a discussion that he had with me, which I think it was, as my father was at that time a member of a 'survivalist' group who were expecting everything from earth changes, climate catastrophe, to political changes based on what was going on in the world then and is actually happening now as this upcycle of the anti-rats and re Nazification of the world. It did not happen however when first expected by so many who became survivalists.

That's the way the future probable data base works. The further the observation is made into the future, the more likely it will change with time as the future advances to 'now'. When you finally get to 'now', the probability has changed into what really happened. Until that happens, the uncertainty is gradually but constantly reduced.

At the now moment, the probable future data stream splits into two paths. The 'now' moment is produced as the probable future that actually happens is combined with the reactions of avatars of IUOCs to the actuality of the VR and the interactions of the avatars and passed on into the past actualized data base. Those possibilities which did not happen are split off into the past unactualized data base which is available for examination. I have observed the past actualized data base through the agency of my deceased sister at the time she was escorting my mother back to reintegrate into NPMR. It was just like I remembered but had forgotten except I was also 'standing to the side' in a sense observing as my self of decades past those times.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 11:07 am 
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I didn’t get that understanding when I listened.

First Mr Monroe ask him about physical ET ships and Tom confirmed he perceived them and other details about how they communicate.

Then regarding the earth changes the description had some very similar points that match many of the qhht sessions regarding a ‘new earth’ and mostly likely there are other words people use to try and describe a transformational event. The reason I see a connection is because Tom is pointing out this event as capturing the attention of many non physical beings.

As Tom has recently also explained within the next ten year an opening of perceptions and understanding is going to happen.

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As Tom has recently also explained within the next ten year an opening of perceptions and understanding is going to happen.
Where specifically did Tom Campbell state this? We have had many people attempt to put words in Tom's mouth with 'approximate' quotations and worse understandings.

If you only listen to what was said in those recordings, you have no context to understand the full situation. If you remember that Bob Monroe and Tom and others as his assistants were just starting to explore to learn how reality worked, and specifically trying to first learn how to travel out of body, you should understand how there was a large potential for misunderstanding. Tom had done none of his later research and explorations which led to writing his books at that time. Nor did the understand the nature of the three data bases at that time.

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Tom said several times in his recent videos that he thinks that in the next decade or so, the idea of a digital reality will start to trickle down into the general population. And that might make consciousness evolution faster in this PMR.


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Yes Sainbury that is exactly what I was referring to.

If we stretch our imagination a bit we can see there is some what of a pattern showing itself in the various ways people are sharing this topical idea. A coming growth period of some kind. Some might be calling it the ascension, new earth, return of Christ etc, but seems to be all pointing to the same general event which might be getting perceived/interpreted differently according to the culture/beliefs of the people.


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Tom said several times in his recent videos that he thinks that in the next decade or so, the idea of a digital reality will start to trickle down into the general population. And that might make consciousness evolution faster in this PMR.
I think that sounds likely. When people become aware of their larger purpose, at least some of those people will use that new understanding to focus and accelerate their consciousness evolution


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