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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 4:43 am 
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Now Tom says "No one realised how difficult these experiments would be"

Very interesting...

"Campbell most recently worked for NASA within the Ares I program (follow-on to the Shuttle) assessing and solving problems of risk and vulnerability to ensure mission and crew survivability and success. "
SRC: https://en.everybodywiki.com/Thomas_W._Campbell
SRC: https://www.my-big-toe.com/about/tom-campbell/

So if I understand this, a seasoned professional with 10+ years of experience in FMEA/Risk/Vulnerability analysis and 30+ working for the DoD did not anticipate difficulties with Experiments of his own design?

I smell Hubris or outright BS.

A well seasoned Subject Matter Expert in Risk/Vulnerability analysis doesn't make these kinds of amateurish errors.

I expect that from a Grad student.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:59 am 
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Don't forget TC worked on computer code for destroying missiles. He wasn't a particle physicist.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 5:16 am 
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Thanks for your postings and comments guys !

So in regards to why this is taking so long i have a couple of questions and observations...

of course please anyone . who wants to reply here .. feel welcome to add your comments ..

VB, John , Linda.. others.. lets stay on top of this important experiments !

For one thing I miss all you guys here ...

So , you have an experiment that in the past has been preformed thousands of times over now about 100 years.. Actually a couple thousand times doesnt seem all that many when you divide that by a 100 LOL.. but who knows right maybe its 10 of thousands times or more ?
And so other than some nefarious reason ( like this is tom's retirement money, ect)..
I have a couple of additional ideas im not sure have been discussed much here in regards to the length of time this is taking and all the delays..

1) Tom's variants of the experiment make this a LOT harder to preform ?

2) the fact we have more complicated and if (precise) , can be used, ... equipment make this experiment harder to preform today than when the equipment was more simple years ago , ( perhaps the results were not as precise as what can be garnered with todays equipment ) .. but you could do the experiment much quicker and easier ?

Anyways do you guys think my 2 ideas (above), are heavily (weighted) factors in the time this is taking so far ?

.. and of course feel free to add the main reasons this is taking so long , in addition to what I propose..., thanks !

One additional one that already seems to be out there I suppose is -

3) the people that have worked on these experiments so far are unqualified and/or lack the time commitments


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 16, 2023 10:27 pm 
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vzam wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 11:59 am Don't forget TC worked on computer code for destroying missiles. He wasn't a particle physicist.

"Professional Physicist

After obtaining degrees in mathematics and physics, Tom specialized in nuclear physics during his Ph.D. work at the University of Virginia. His 37-year professional career includes 12 years in technical intelligence, 15 years at Missile Defense Agency, and 10 years as a consultant in the general area of large-systems risk and vulnerability analysis for various high-tech companies, including two years with NASA."


Nuclear physics is by definition, Particle Physics. Particles and their interactions.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_physics

He specialised in FMEA for 10+ years. (Risk/Vulnerability)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Failure_m ... s_analysis

This combined with this "Future Probabilities Database" access abilities.

In short, he's a seasoned professional with extraordinary foresight which also means there is no excuse.

What we are witnessing with the experiments however, is nothing short of incompetence with perpetual excuses which do not reflect his resume.

I get it. Tom himself is not the one conducting the experiments. However if you witness someone repeatedly screwing up your experiments, on your behalf, then one aught feel obliged to intervene and set the record straight.

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PostPosted: Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:16 pm 
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I never really cared about the experiments. The experiments just help to establish acceptance of a theory, a model to left-brained people. MBT isn't bringing you direct truth of existence and reality, it's a model of it, a pointer to it. It doesn't matter to much for me if we can bring evidence that an electron's behaviour indicates rendering by a system saving resources. Because the real value of MBT is in being able to use it in your practical application of finding direct truth through self-awareness, altered states, NPMR interaction.

Even if the experiments are a huge success and everyone is agreeing with it, MBT is still a theory and a house of unverified concepts in your mind until you experience things directly and then you can call it your truth.

The experiments could fail and MBT still shows you a larger reality and equips you with the tools for your own exploration, which is the real work to be done. Spiritual truths of self-realization won't come from conceptual thinking and rationalizing theory but direct beingness of them.

At a certain point, you're supposed to let go of theory and conceptual knowledge anyway.

Whether the experiments fail or succeed won't disprove MBT or that reality is best modeled as an information system, it will only provide "evidence" in either direction. And it will still never be directly reality. As people engaged in MBT, experiencers of larger reality, you know the work to be done and it's not waiting for Tom and getting hung up on why his experiments are taking so long because it's not relevant to you, it's meant for outsiders and their prejudices around science.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 01, 2023 4:37 am 
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Human+ wrote: Thu Nov 30, 2023 10:16 pmThe experiments just help to establish acceptance of a theory, a model to left-brained people.
That is/was the purpose of the entire undertaking iirc. To bring about a 'paradigm shift' which only happens if you convince the left-brained reductionist 'scientific majority'.

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PostPosted: Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:50 pm 
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Human+ said: “Even if the experiments are a huge success and everyone is agreeing with it, MBT is still a theory and a house of unverified concepts in your mind until you experience things directly and then you can call it your truth.”

Yes, I agree. Absolutely.

For instance:

I have never experienced OBEs or verified that other people can share the same virtual environment as me in their OBEs.

I cannot access a future probability database or offer any surprising predictions to suggest that I have.

I have never proven to myself that Time is fundamentally real.

I have never satisfied myself that stars are just pixels in a computer program and not actual stars.

Therefore I cannot say that Tom’s model is mine. If I said it was, I’d just be expressing faith (i.e. belief) in his model: and according to Tom, belief is most definitely bad.


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vzam wrote: Sat Dec 02, 2023 1:50 pm Human+ said: “Even if the experiments are a huge success and everyone is agreeing with it, MBT is still a theory and a house of unverified concepts in your mind until you experience things directly and then you can call it your truth.”

Yes, I agree. Absolutely.

For instance:

I have never experienced OBEs or verified that other people can share the same virtual environment as me in their OBEs.

I cannot access a future probability database or offer any surprising predictions to suggest that I have.

I have never proven to myself that Time is fundamentally real.

I have never satisfied myself that stars are just pixels in a computer program and not actual stars.

Therefore I cannot say that Tom’s model is mine. If I said it was, I’d just be expressing faith (i.e. belief) in his model: and according to Tom, belief is most definitely bad.


You have no body, therefore you cannot leave it. There is no “outside of YOU”. There is no one to communicate with except yourself. Hello! How are you/me? ;) the “others” you perceive are versions of you, reflections, ego manifestations of the very same thing(no-thing) that you are.

There is no future and no database to access, the future is your anticipation of the change within your experience. The past is your justification for your present state. Notice the lack of surprise in being inaccurate in your anticipation.

Time is not fundamentally real except when trying to distinguish between when you are fundamentally in or out of your fundamental body which does not exist anywhere other than in your physical experience which of course, doesn’t exist in a fundamental sense. :p

Pixels and stars are an idea in the mind of consciousness. Ultimately, ideas themselves, don’t exist as they are creations of the infinite awareness that is what You and I are as consciousness.

Tom’s model can’t be yours because it isn’t even his own. This is due to the fact that Tom doesn’t exist. Tom is an aberration of a thought within the mind of the LCS. Minds do not have thoughts, thoughts and minds exist and arise within consciousness.

That which exists believes everything that does not exist, into existence. It isn’t bad per se, it can however, lead to confusion.

Merry Christmas Everyone! :)


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:59 pm 
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Merry xmas, VB and thanks for your post !


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 28, 2023 1:07 am 
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Brian50 wrote: Wed Dec 27, 2023 6:59 pm Merry xmas, VB and thanks for your post !


Thank you for thanking me Brian, even though, by thanking me you thank yourself. ;p It isn’t necessarily an act of self thanks. You are deserving of such however, and I thank you as well.

The Sprit of Christmas is something that is little understood by those who thank others without appreciation.

You do seem to have appreciation so, Merry Christmas to you! Brian! You are appreciated by Me! :)


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