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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:08 pm 
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Okay, I think I mentioned this to Bette awhile back, but when I have dreams at night and something really good or something really bad happens in the dream, a corresponding bad or good event almost always occurs the next day. When I have just regular plain dreams, the next day is usually a non-event.

An Example. 2 nights ago I had a dream that I was out with some friends and we had all been meditating and in that dream, everyone was smiling and dancing and I felt an amazing sense of oneness and peace with everyone. It was a wonderful feeling.... It was fairly vivid and a very social dream. I woke up the next day and went to work as usual, and I was becomming skeptical that anything good was going to happen. Afterall, it was just a normal day at work. I still felt though that something good was going to happen that day, I just didn't know what it was.

That night my sister called me up and we decided to go to a local casino for her birthday. We had dinner and at the last minute, she asked if I wanted to play some slots. I played a 2 cent machine, and stuck only 2 dollars in it and won $300.00. I was estatic! I had never ever won anything at a slot machine. After I won, I told myself, "yep, there's the good event that always follows a really good dream".

Now, I've had horrible fear ridden nightmarish type dreams, and then the next day later found out that a relative died, or something horrible happened at work with the market(I work at a financial company)...That's just an example of course.

This happens so consistently it's almost scary. At first I was thinking that maybe it was the law of attaction and I was creating my own reality based upon my expectation. But I have no control over creating a market crash for example. Also, the law of attraction usually never works that quickly...

So all you MBTers, is it possible that somehow I'm tapping into my Probably Future Database in NPMR? Perhaps somehow I'm picking up some type of NPMR energy? If that isn't the explanation, please tell me what else it could be?? These dreams obviously don't happen every night. I may have them once a month or I may go 3 to 4 months without any good or bad dreams, but it never fails that a good or bad event always follows the dream the next day.

Keep in mind, I don't want this!!! I don't want to have a bad dream and be going through the day not knowing what bad event may happen. :( .
The degree of the good or bad event always seems to be preportional to how good or bad the dream was.....Plus, the dream really isn't related to the event. For example, the good dream I recently I had, had nothing to do with winning money at a slot machine. It was just extremely good feeling in nature.

Thoughts on this?


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:22 pm 
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It feels like you are creating an expectation here, I'd be careful. There is also the idea that a good dream puts you in a good mood, and a bad dream a bad mood, and ths pattern matching we do does something. Pattern matching, something that's been on my mnd lately. Does this do anything vestal?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 9:26 pm 
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but Bette, how would my expectation control a market crash for example? Are you saying, that I alone am creating a market crash based on my expectation?
I don't think I have that kind of power.


Also, I don't see how short term expectation could have won me $300.00. See where I'm coming from?


edit: One thing for certain, if somehow it IS expectation, then it completely validates everything Esther Hicks has taught about Law of Attraction.
She always says that positive or negative thinking will never get you there. You have to "FEEL" your way into the vibration of whatever you desire,
and then it will be yours. If it is somehow expectation, then her teachings are validated, because these dreams do create an intense "feeling"
without you even thinking about it.


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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:57 pm 
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I would say you are tapping a bit into the future data stream, not causing the events...

You could do a test to see how often you "hit" - Try keeping a Dream Journal for 3-6 months and fill it out like this:

Dream:
yes/no

Negative/positive:
scale of 1-5*

Expectation of PMR -/+ event
scale of 1-5

PMR Event within 24 hours -/+
scale of 1-5

*1=minor, 5+major


I'd be real interested in the results!

I'd be real interested in the results! You could also record other useful information like Diet, and health, mood, etc. You could graph the whole thing and see what pops up.


I did something similar when I started reading tarot cards (for myself), and found quite a bit more hits than I expected. (No graphs though!)

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 10:59 pm 
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Whoops, double posted. Please delete!

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 04, 2010 11:25 pm 
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The market crash, any of them, didn't just happen. There were/are many subtle and not so subtle indications that could have colored your dreams by being incorporated into them, or you tapped in to the/a probable future thread. Either way Sunshine has a good plan, wouldn't you say?
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Thanks for your post Sunshine. The dream journal is a great idea. Earlier I was thinking to myself that one way to for sure to determine if it's the future I'm tapping into or an expectation is that the next time I have a really horrible dream, is for me to stay home from work and do nothing but read that day. If nothing happens, then it could be related more towards me "creating my own reality" although I'm still a bit skeptical of that being the reason, due to the speed of the reality that's being created. If something horrible does happen(such as to a relative, pet, or something else outside of my control), then I will know without a shadow of a doubt that somehow I'm tapping into a NPMR future database.....There will be no other possibility.


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Vestal,

I have had precognitive dreams many times and a little more specific than these. For instance, in one, I dreamed that there would be a death and saw some specific family members that would be affected by that. I also saw a baby and was a little disconcerted that a child might die. Turns out there was a very near death with a member of that group within the family. It wasn't a child but at the same time, the two I specifically saw also announced they were pregnant with their second child. There have been others that were equally accurate although only clear in hindsight. Definitely not clear enough to go about shouting warnings to anyone.

You say you don't want this but I think that if you choose to continue down this path of spiritual growth, reducing entropy, and learning to access NPMR, that these are the kind of things you will have to learn to accept. That could be one of the reasons Tom calls this the Warrior's Path. It's not easy and not always pleasant to your PMR mind but you must take what comes without fear. I really don't think you are manifesting here. You are probably being nudged.

Try the dream journal idea for sure. Sounds like the most productive thing to do.

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 05, 2010 8:26 am 
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Vestal, maybe remember that when someone dies it is just their experience packet being over. They return to their larger consciousness. It isn't a tragedy even if you will miss them. So it is just you and your idea of death that matches it to a nightmare. And the stock market is just part of the virtual experience of the VR.


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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 12:48 pm 
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Thanks for your replies

Sainbury: Yea, even though I realize there's no death, it still bothers me to have a bad dream, because I just don't know what it is that's going to happen. I guess it's just that uncertainty.

Ramon: Yes, it sounds like you are having precognitive dreams for sure. Mine only seem to be partially precognitive since I don't know what's going to occur.
I still am curious though with the MBT model how precognitive dreams would even possible since the future hasn't even happened yet?

On a side note, I wrote an email to my parents about this and how I won the $300.00 at the slot machines, and touched on the "good and bad" aspect of my dreams. Usually my parents reply back right away, but they never responded to the email and never congratulated me for winning the money. I know exactly why too . Being that thy are Fundamentalist Christians, they probably some how think the devil is responsible for controlling my dreams and it's largely because of my lack of commitment to Christianity. So sad. My parents and I use to be so close prior to them becomming fundamentalists.


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vestal wrote: I still am curious though with the MBT model how precognitive dreams would even possible since the future hasn't even happened yet?
The MBT model explain this in much depth.

All future events are only probabilities, they are all stored in the probable future database.

Hah, the transcribed text from the recent lecture at TMI comes in handy here, thanks Bette.

"Um, okay, um, databases, there's three databases, actually there's just two I'm going to make it three, I'm going to break one into two pieces because it's easier to understand that way. First is the future probable reality, so okay here we are in a delta-t computed our reality, now we can we can guess what's going to happen next delta-t before it actually happens, okay. We just extrapolate what's going on. Now these delta-t's are very small, okay, they like 10 to the minus forty-four seconds, very small. That's a nano, nano, nano, nano, nano second, okay, very small. Much much smaller than we can measure by about thirty-five orders of magnitude. Okay, so to us that seems instantaneous, but it's not really instantaneous, okay. So that's, these things are very very tiny, and that's just our our clock. So, what we have to try to do is try to guess what's going to happen the next 10 to the minus forty-fourth second from now. Well that's not too hard right because when you guess real short end, you know, it's really easy to make that guess. But then we can say well, well, let's assume we guess right, and using that as as as truth guess the next one, and we assume that that one is right, and we guess the next one. We can keep doing that and work it out as far as we want to. But of course, our accuracy gets rattier and rattier the further we go out because we have this whole stack list of assumptions each one being that the last one was right. But we can, we can do that, and that's called the future probable database. Now you know there's a rock rolling down hill, and the next delta-t what's it going to be. Well it's going to roll a little further, right. That's easy, all the stuff is easy to calculate. What about the people and their choices? Well that's not that hard either because if you are if this is a virtual reality you are a collection of data, rules, memory, you know the things that we said was consciousness?" You are consciousness, you are. You a thing, you are a piece of consciousness getting a data stream. That data stream you interpret as this reality, okay.

Okay so um, everything happens in the present, I mean free will happens in the present. So you are being modeled because every thought you had, every idea, every feeling, every tiny thing that makes you up is consciousness. Is data, it's all saved, and there is a model of you there, basically that can project to the next delta-t. And it's a pretty good model because its got all the data of everything you've felt, said, done, thought of. So it's not that hard to project you either but that doesn't mean it's always right, you have free will, you can always do something different. And when you do the system just has to make that adjustment and run it back up through the calculation whenever that happens, but it doesn't happen that often. Okay everything then, we make all our choices in the present, after the present, um, that what was the probable future then flows into the past. Now in this probable future database is everything that possibly could happen, and the probability that it would happen. Okay, associated with probabilities. So then after the present we make our choices, and our choices like I say may or may not be what was predicted, but we make our choices and then everything that we did, the choices we made become our history thread, and everything that we didn't choose, in other words everything we could have done but didn't becomes the nonactualized history. This is really just one database, this one history database, but we are breaking it into two. Our actual history, and all the things we did and all the things we could have done, but didn't. Okay so now we have these databases. All right now next you'll see how these databases are important."

The text covers it pretty good, but I can help you visualise it.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 2:23 pm 
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Thank you ss.

Vestal, maybe they just prefer you wouldn't gamble.
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Thanks specialis_sapientia . I appreciate the post and graphics....Although it's still a bit fuzzy how someone's death(such as getting killed by a car) somehow existed in a probability database....


Bette:...Well, my parents might feel that way. But I've had it with them and their fundamentalist ways. My goal now is to move as far away from them
as I possibily can. I'm heading back to Colorado. I just can't deal with their judgement and ridicule of my beliefs anymore. If they want to act this way, fine....Then they just lost their son......


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Someone can go through a stop sign and hit another car killing all involved. That may have been in the probability database because that driver often drove recklessly. Or maybe it was just an accident as the person was momentarily distracted and usually drove very safely. It was the driver's free will choice to be distracted that led to the crash. Free will puts a lot of randomness in the data stream.

As for the bad dreams, Vestal, it's best not to try anticipate something bad. If you can just roll with what ever comes when it comes. Think about creating something good for yourself and don't spend energy on worrying about what may happen.

I have a hard time being around fundamental Christians too and I am related to some as well. Lowering your entropy is all about coming from a place of love. If you can do that with your parents you will make a huge step in the right direction. It's easier said than done I know.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:57 pm 
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Thanks for the lecture posting.

There is no question that precognitive dreaming is an area that affects many, and even in my normal walks of life I find more and more friends and family who have experience with this. Tom so far offers the best theory on how such a profound possibility exists.

Really makes one feel that life is much like a choose your own adventure book with many possible outcomes when we take on the experience of being human. How such a system was dreamed up defies one's imagination and linear reason.


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