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 Post subject: Re: Suicide
PostPosted: Tue Jun 22, 2010 11:24 am 
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the Chinchilla's do look like a perfect German Shepard snack.

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide
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I guess it must have been great fun for Fritz, all that was left was the fur. We buried it and lied to my brother about it until 10 years ago, or so. Fritz killed furry things, anything he got a hold of. Marley, current dog, doesn't have that same Consciousness. He has cornered the cats with no Intent to harm, and he is a pit-bull bull dog mix. Fritz used to chew on our tortoises shells too until we got this huge desert tortoise that bit his nose once, feedback, it's great.
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 Post subject: Re: Suicide
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somebody did a genetic comparison of various dog breeds to the original wolf strain and my recollection is that German Shepards were the closest to a wolf...no surprise

our breed, King Charles Spaniel Cavaliers, were the most distant from wolves

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now, to tie the thread to the discussion...

one freakonomic type research idea I have for retirement is to interview friends and relatives of suicide's and try to correlate lifestyle elements to suicide - as an indicator of what NOT to choose for lifestyle choices.

My theory is that very few, if not zero people who own dogs, have killed themselves. There are always exceptions and exceptional circumstances. You would have to take the measurement and see if it deviates from the general population.

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide
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You're probably right Randy which is why everyone that wants to should be able to have a pet have them, especially if they don't have any people to have them. There should be universal vet care along with universal health care for us. But then so many wouldn't kill themselves, probably.
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 Post subject: Re: Suicide
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some interesting links

http://www.csc-scc.gc.ca/text/prgrm/fsw ... -eng.shtml

http://pn.psychiatryonline.org/content/36/3/17.1.full

one of my "pet" theories is that a portion of mental illness is due to people acquiring crappy mental firmware that constructs a barrier between them and "happiness"

like making the mental link between stress and some sort of vice, be it drugs, alchohol, gambling, risky behavior, workaholism and so on

when what the body is actually craving is a reduction in the tension between our innate natural hungers and the stressfull lifestyle we have acquired.

nature, camping, careful risk taking, animals, healthy food, music, social intensity, ....these are the sustainable things we need to reach for when we are over stressed - and that requires a bit of mental rewiring

when I was a few weeks from graduating from undergrad, this one particular stuck-on-left-hemispheric german prof drove me crazy - and I walked out of the classroom in tears, having a mini-breakdown.

I ended up at a Catholic retreat centre (Madonna House, Combermere Ontario), and as they are wont to do, I was soon chopping wood in a beautiful forest, eating organic food communally, sleeping in a wood cabin bunkhouse, and what startled me was how quickly my mental state rebalanced. Within a few days I was fine and went back and finished school.

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Crappy mental firmware, sounds like it could be a synonym for "belief system", great term because it's not "hardware" and it's not nonphysical Consciousness, it is only "firm" like tofu, mailable.

Randy take that place you were at that balanced you, and picture the resource based community of people like that spreading like wildfire across the face of the earth. Imagine....
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ps Great links, thank you. At least in Canaidia[sic] progress is upfront. We have some pet therapy prison programs from what I see on cable TV, and actually there used to be a program my mom got that paid vet bills for seniors. There may be a chance to keep this type thing going after all. Thank you for this.

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I know "belief system" is a four letter word here, but I don't see how you can escape having one....there simply is not time nor IQ to confirm all of Tom's system, so you have to take a lot of it on faith, especially if you focus on PMR existence like he suggests, which I see as being efficient or non-entropic.

my main suggestion to persons inclined to communal or socialistic or communistic life is to experience it and not dream about it, so that you can commit to one system and move on. Being stuck as a dreamer socialist in a capitalistic system is very entropic and creates a narrowing of your decision space over time. Not talking about you personally, just making a general comment.

I started a commune which did street mission work with the homeless when I was young and foolish, and that's where I learned how incompatible it is with human nature. Monastic systems are also educational....very structured, heirarchical, no room for loafing.

you may not be aware that European America was founded as a communistic system - half the population starved the first year, forcing them to switch to capitalism.

http://mises.org/daily/2395

lack of private property is a major cause of third world poverty

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hernando_de_Soto_Polar

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide
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That is why Tom named his trilogy "My" Big TOE, and said on it that it is HIS big picture theory of everything. Your experience makes the TOE that is YOURS yours. Tom's TOE can't be your toe, nor anyone's TOE. It is a GREAT model that filled in lots of puzzle pieces for mine, for my TOE, still is.
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 Post subject: Re: Suicide
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sorry if someone pointed this out already

here is a Tom youtube that touches on suicide

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0NVYP2OLZs

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Ignoring the fact this is just a theory and in the future could be ridiculed similarly to how religions are now, I felt the need to comment on a subject dear to my consciousness.

I fail to see how an IUOCs decision to self terminate can contribute to the devolution of the system. It is comparable to saying removing one grain of sand from the Sahara negates its status as a desert.

There a handful of elite that run the world, a handful of people are responsible for over a million deaths in the middle east, there are people starving in this world and those with the ability to change things do not, they decide to keep their money and resources or focus on wars... These would be decisions that stop the system and IUOC from evolving, power, money, greed.. Not a person choosing to self terminate.

Just as we supposedly chose to come into this classroom, we should be allowed to clock out using our own free will.

I personally do not see the point in going on, so much corruption and devastation in this system and one IUOC is unable to make any difference, we are divided, conditioned and programmed to hate, kept down under a boot from flourishing by those in power and left with little option besides finding a way to survive by any means possible, typically by finding a job we don't particularly enjoy for the bare minimum, then we are charged extortionately for almost everything in order to keep us in this primitive society, one big revolving wheel on a track that is never likely to come off the rails.

I like the philosophy of this theory as it promotes people to live harmoniously, promoting love and self growth etc. But why nail your colours to its mast? why do we yearn for meaning if we can never know for certain? It's all good saying do this and that but the world is a very dark place and we are at a loss with how to make real positive difference, no amount of forgetting fear and ego will help that.


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 Post subject: Re: Suicide
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There are a number of things which you are not aware of. You will not be punished for terminating your incarnation deliberately. You are wasting a lot of time in your present life if you do not see it through. You will likely get a finger shaken at you for waste of opportunity. But you will not be punished. Even the 'bad guys' are not punished but may well get some additional specialized training to help them turn themselves around.

You are not here to remake the world on your own. You are here as Tom Campbell says repeatedly, to interact and respond to the feedback. The intensity of that interaction and feedback is what improves your QOC and reduces your entropy as your base level IUOC. That's what it's all about. There is the other side to this also that you as an IUOC are part of the Union that is AUM. So what you do to raise your own QOC and lower your own entropy incrementally produces the same effect on AUM to a very incremental degree. That is the whole reason for your being here, the way that Reality works.

Regarding that 'never knowing for certain', you should be aware of Tom Campbell's dictum of 'being open minded but skeptical', that is an attitude that most Rationals naturally hold within their thinking which means ~12.5% of the population according to Dr. David Keirsey in his book on personality types, Please Understand Me II. The rest of the world's population does not have their IUOC pre programmed to express this attitude. The abilities and uses of meditation can be traced back 2,000+ years in writing. The understanding of what is known as Indra's Net, which can be shown to trace back to Indian metaphysics and mysticism of that same general time with the beginning of written recorded history. It matches perfectly with Tom Campbell's Model of Reality, only with the metaphors of the description much different. Shamanism can be taken back to the Pleistocene era going back millions of years ago and Shamans were in contact with the LCS and guidance from NPMR all that time. Many things we will never know for certain, but don't think that there is not a vast amount of corroboration of Tom Campbell's 'theory'.

You simply have not begun to really understand the full 'big picture' and the many sources of corroboration of that big picture concept. Do not attempt to use what you do know as an excuse to 'bail out early' considering how much of the Big Picture you do not yet know.

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 Post subject: Re: Suicide
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Word2Mother - I don't know how old you are, but many of us have been depressed at various times of our lives. And many people have contemplated suicide at one time or another. You are in a virtual reality soup with a mix of many entities with different levels of consciousness. The level of this PMR, (Physical Matter Reality,) is a kindergarten. So, although this VR is slowly evolving it is still a very challenging reality to participate in.

There is no need to take the world's problems on your head. Let things evolve as they may. Your only job is to evolve the quality of your own consciousness. And to do that makes you better, all those around you better, and the system as a whole better.

It depends upon the reason for the suicide as to the consequences. If you have an end stage disease, and want to die before the disease kills you, it is a very different Intent than someone who thinks life is just too hard. The problem with committing suicide under those circumstances is that is can become a pattern every life. You just bail out when things aren't going well. And often you learn the most, and grow the most, during difficult circumstances. So to be able to stick your life out and make the best of it is almost always the best choice.

The Larger Consciousness System wants you to succeed. Meditate and ask your guide(s) for help.

If you still feel this way after this life, then you can incarnate into an easier VR.

If you think things are bad now, study world history 100 years ago, 200 years ago. This reality is slowly evolving.

Don't check out. Figure out your fears and ego. Root them out. Be mindful of the Intent behind your decisions, pay attention to your feedback, and make better choices. Your life will get better.

If you need help then get help from a friend, parent, relative, psychologist, or psychiatrist.


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 Post subject: Re: Suicide
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There is a lot more to say about suicide than has been said on these boards.

First we need to distinguish between physical suicide (after which the disincarnate person is often apparently immediately observing the results of his actions and typically thinking "oh, s..t !!", and generally discovers that nothing has changed, and that s/he still has the same issue set next on the agenda.

A second form of suicide is the real deal, where one ceases to exist as a consciousness unit, the pieces of the unit having dissolved the union, and then evaporated away into primordial stuff themselves. This second case can and does occur, apparently, and the philosophy that applies to much of the earlier thinking about the first type of suicide actually can apply to this type.

-Montana
How does Montana know about the second form of suicide? Maybe somebody on the board could tell me.


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 Post subject: Re: Suicide
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Montana was actively involved and experienced in healing on the board and had access to NPMR and is likely repeating something stated by Tom Campbell.

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