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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2003 2:44 pm 
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Current String Theory (as popularized in Brian Greene’s book “The Elegant Universe“ - also recently shown on NOVA) requires 11 spatial dimensions. Is it possible that some of these hidden dimensions have some correlation with the “extra degrees of freedom“ seen in NPMR?

If so it would seem that physicists may soon have to broaden their ideas of “physical“ theories even more to include the “PSI Uncertainty Principle“ among other consciousness-based ideas (which will eventually be necessary whether String Theory pans out or not).

I wonder if these extra mathematically-known dimensions are solidly in the PMR simulation, or perhaps common to both the PMR and NPMR simulations? Since they can be known only mathematically from PMR (except perhaps for a proposed miniscule gravitational interaction with some) they would fulfill the PSI Uncertainty Principle as far as information transfer is concerned.


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I know one concept of String Theory is that every time you make a choice, a new parallel universe is created. I am not sure if Tom agrees with this idea.


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My Big TOE does not speculate about the precise rule set of PMR. It does not attempt to predict where physics will ultimately go in this sense. It states that PMR is a Virtual Reality that we experience by being IUOCs that receive our perceptions of PMR over the RWW as calculated based upon probability and then rendered as required by these requirements to provide us with data. It states that this probability calculation is divided up into multiple fractal levels and that only those levels required to generate the rendered data stream to an IUOC need be generated while the rest remain as probability only. This is a VR based upon simulation of physicality. Beyond that is not stated.

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community wrote:I know one concept of String Theory is that every time you make a choice, a new parallel universe is created. I am not sure if Tom agrees with this idea.
another version of what Ted said...

rather, every time you make a choice, what was previously one of an array of probabilities, becomes an actualized choice, and this births a new array of plausibilities and probabilities, each with levels of significance, from which conciousness must next choose, with the computer working ahead to pre-calculate what could happen at the DELTA(t) after the next decision, and on and on up to a certain point of unprofitability

so each decision creates this new web or fan of possibilities just ahead of you, and leaves a narrow trail of actualized decision, within a spiderweb of what could have happened but didn't. For system learning, this morass of what happened and didn't happen is what is useful - what actually happened may not actually be more important than what could have happened, Tom spoke to that on the Boston record if I recall in response to a question I put on this - so I presume, what actually happens is merely like a trailer bullet or scout to guide the overall process, from the POV of AUM or simulation management.

for the individual, it can be sort of spooky to be fully aware of these decision tree forks in the road in real time, realizing that a choice, turning this way or that way at a corner, will construct an entirely different life for you. The guidance is to increasingly dial up your concern for "other" at each of these forks in the road, and this leads to a much more comfortable and fun life, somewhat ironically.

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PostPosted: Thu Jun 07, 2012 6:15 am 
As far as string theory goes, it does not seem an efficient way for a system to work. MBT is a more buttoned down and realistic way for a real system to operate, we can even simulated it here with computers. The evolution of PMR has rule-sets it operates within, and they are known, we the players are giving that data that comes with the rule set as we choose. The paths we all can take are calculated in probability, and rendered on the fly as we choose, there are not but so many things that we can do, and the system knows all of them. It calculates them for what is probable and natural to the event, and streams that data to us as we choose. This to me seems like a nice need package. string theory in my view is going nowhere. Sabby


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community wrote:I know one concept of String Theory is that every time you make a choice, a new parallel universe is created. I am not sure if Tom agrees with this idea.
another version of what Ted said...

rather, every time you make a choice, what was previously one of an array of probabilities, becomes an actualized choice, and this births a new array of plausibilities and probabilities, each with levels of significance, from which conciousness must next choose, with the computer working ahead to pre-calculate what could happen at the DELTA(t) after the next decision, and on and on up to a certain point of unprofitability

so each decision creates this new web or fan of possibilities just ahead of you, and leaves a narrow trail of actualized decision, within a spiderweb of what could have happened but didn't. For system learning, this morass of what happened and didn't happen is what is useful - what actually happened may not actually be more important than what could have happened, Tom spoke to that on the Boston record if I recall in response to a question I put on this - so I presume, what actually happens is merely like a trailer bullet or scout to guide the overall process, from the POV of AUM or simulation management.

for the individual, it can be sort of spooky to be fully aware of these decision tree forks in the road in real time, realizing that a choice, turning this way or that way at a corner, will construct an entirely different life for you. The guidance is to increasingly dial up your concern for "other" at each of these forks in the road, and this leads to a much more comfortable and fun life, somewhat ironically.
I have commented in other threads about this but Many Worlds Interpretation is different than MBT. In Many Worlds whenever you have a decision to make the world splits in the number of decisions that you have to do. You just make your way unto one of them. The others are existing as well. You are not aware of them.

And then you can stretch that out at every turning point so you have a lot of worlds (maybe even infinity :D ) for everyone in the world.

I think if I'm not mistaken MBT is more along Copenhagen interpretation.


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LAF wrote:Current String Theory (as popularized in Brian Greene’s book “The Elegant Universe“ - also recently shown on NOVA) requires 11 spatial dimensions. Is it possible that some of these hidden dimensions have some correlation with the “extra degrees of freedom“ seen in NPMR?
There are no spatial dimensions in NPMR, so there is no connection there. String theory is in my opinion a weak scientific theory because it relies on too many assumptions, and too much mathematics.. it has no direct basis in the reality we observe in PMR.

The fundamental of physics are better explained from a digital physics viewpoint than string theory and the like.


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ingerul9 wrote:In Many Worlds whenever you have a decision to make the world splits in the number of decisions that you have to do. You just make your way unto one of them. The others are existing as well. You are not aware of them.
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I think if I'm not mistaken MBT is more along Copenhagen interpretation.
So in the Many Worlds theory, why would all the other worlds continue to exist if one choice was actually made? The other potential choices were not made or didn't happen, so why would they actually exist?


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The idea is not that the world went this way instead of that. The idea is that each persons choice results in a split into two paths, made the choice and made the opposite choice. You don't have one or the other, you have both. There is not just one person who matters and things follow the path of their choices. Everyone is making these choices and everyone stays within the world of their own choices while at the same time pulling a copy of everyone else into their own version of the world path so you have this vast expansion of realities, all somehow overlapping without everyone getting all cramped up somehow. The latter is the tricky part that makes no sense to me.

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specialis_sapientia wrote:
LAF wrote:Current String Theory (as popularized in Brian Greene’s book “The Elegant Universe“ - also recently shown on NOVA) requires 11 spatial dimensions. Is it possible that some of these hidden dimensions have some correlation with the “extra degrees of freedom“ seen in NPMR?
There are no spatial dimensions in NPMR, so there is no connection there. String theory is in my opinion a weak scientific theory because it relies on too many assumptions, and too much mathematics.. it has no direct basis in the reality we observe in PMR.

The fundamental of physics are better explained from a digital physics viewpoint than string theory and the like.
Would not vibrating strings simply be what the digital physics "looks like" with a powerful enough microscope, or mathematically, when observed from within the VR?

I saw this Greene guy being interviewed on a Book TV video, and interestingly, there is an offhand remark about his veganism - but more broadly, his entire way of thinking about things sure sounded in Tom's ballpark...he is just very frustrated by his belief that the multiverse cannot be measured, which apparently is not true according to Tom.

http://www.booktv.org/Watch/12292/The+H ... osmos.aspx

there is also this TED talk:

http://www.ted.com/talks/brian_greene_w ... _life.html

CSPAN book TV has some great streaming content for displacing junk TV during marital couch duty.

Speaking to my fellow geezers here...getting your TV hooked up or upgraded to stream content is key to moving away from empty mental calories. Netflix documentaries are another source of good stuff, especially on food.

I like "Strong VPN" for synthesizing an American VPN to stream content blocked outside of the US.

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