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Other than what's in Monroe's books, has any of the "Explorer Material" been published elsewhere?
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Roland,

Not that I know of -- but then, I don't keep up with such things. Others probably know more than I do about that.

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Tom,

What piqued my curiosity was reading Monroe's *Far Journeys* last night, from which I quote:

-->begin
[p51]
SS/TC (PHYSICIST) 22:30 MIN #372
"I've gotten all kinds of things, and I've been trying to sort them and
put them into some kind of rational order. First of all, I had the impression
that physical matter reality in as much of I guess what is normally
called reality, not only physical matter, but also a certain amount of our
daydreaming and our imaginative intuitive qualities, is part of a, sort of
like a large daydream or thought from a higher consciousness, just as we
can daydream and invent characters and situations, we are characters in a
situation that was invented or dreamt, quite consciously dreamt by a
more advanced sort of consciousness. The part that we have to play in
this daydream is one of education, one of learning and bettering ourselves,
striving to become more. Now, I'm not clear why this kind of over-consciousness
or over-soul is having this daydream, but I have the feeling
that it is for its own education. It learns as we learn. Anyway, we have
such limited consciousness to begin because if you are going to set up a
situation where you expect certain processes to happen, these processes,
of course, are our education, our learning‚ you don't set up the most
complex and involved experiment or situation. You set up a simple one
that you can produce, that still has the qualities to get the results that you
want. This is the reason that we are seemingly of such limited consciousness.
But the reason that we have an option to develop our consciousness
more fully is part of the experiment itself. We are to learn and grow and
evolve and become and learn through experience in doing, and as closely
cont-->
[p52]
as we can come to understanding and being a part of, our understanding
a part of our creator, our over-soul daydreamer, if you like, then sort of
the more power to us. The more of that we can understand, then the
more learning that we've acquired. So it's not really, well I take that
back. It's not so much that we are driven to expand our awareness or that
we should be, other than it's available, and being available makes it a
direction in which we can evolve if we so choose. That's a little jumbled
to myself, but that's the way it's coming out."
<--end

Looks familiar. Hm... . Have your ideas morphed any, on the above only, since you did that session?
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Roland,

Jeez, I was only 20 something years old when Bob recorded that while I was OOB having a conversation with a nonphysical entity. At the time it didn't make nearly as much sense as it does now. I had been given baskets full of profound answers long before I had developed the experience to fully understand what they meant. So there are my roots -- zinging around in NPMR collecting data and trying to figure what it all meant in logical terms -- the causality and rule-sets defining the larger reality. Yes, since that time much has come into sharper focus as MBT and these forums demonstrate. At that point it was all fuzzy and general -- entities telling me things -- all theory -- no details to describe just how it all worked- -- that one has to figure out for oneself.

What a long time ago.
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Tom,

Well, gee, it seems clear as a bell, to me. Can't see why you found it confusing. :-)

Seriously, though, it's clear that you've fleshed this raw data out enormously. But I was struck by the fantastic encapsulation of it all, as given to you by your friends (entities), in these few paragraphs. As one who likes to know every nuance, it would be great to read your other raw data and see how your TOE came together. It would be some interesting research, all that, and a lot of fun.
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Roland,
The greatest collection of published Explorer material I have found is probably Rosalind McKnight's Cosmic Journeys. It is a good book. Rosalind was the ROMC explorer from Far Journeys.
I too have reread the section you quoted from "TC" many times. It is amazing to see the progression from that to the TOE and yet still see how nothing seems contradictory after over 30 years of further exploration.

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Ramon,

I was struck by the same thing. I was getting these entirely new concepts in paragraph and chapter size chunks of understanding and struggling to interpret them in terms of my experience (very limited) into coherent English words and sentences even though I didn't fully understand the content. Much credit to the source for working within my limitations and still getting the message across. That it came out reasonably accurate, clear and un-garbled (if limited in detail) is a bit surprising even to me -- a testament to how hard we worked at getting it right.

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I read Rosalind McKnight's book and couldn't finish it. I was very turned off by her use of language, more "fairy" and "gnome" talk than the more scientific approach that Bob used.

Maybe I should reread it keeping in mind that the language used is a best-effort metaphor for the subjective experiences that were taking place.
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Josh M:
I read Rosalind McKnight's book and couldn't finish it. I was very turned off by her use of language, more "fairy" and "gnome" talk than the more scientific approach... .

Roland:
I can appreciate your sentiment. I have grave difficulty with these issues myself. This refreshes my memory of Tom's posts about this issue directly, and about the subject of "subjectivity."

But even Robert Monroe was ever so explicit on p. 51, in *Far Journeys*:
--
4. In speaking to the Explorer, the being is limited in vocabulary to
that in the memory bank of said Explorer. Therefore it often shows
hesitation in searching for the correct word to express what needs to be
described—and often there is no such word in the memory of the
individual.
--

And then, there's this:

From pp. 60-61, *Far Journeys*
-->begin
SS/NVP (DECORATOR) 92:30 MIN #388
"Blessed are they who seek me. In seeking me, their long period of
forgetfulness is coming to an end. They are awakening to who they truly
are—a living part of me, manifesting life and radiating love.
"You have forgotten to look for me, much less gaze upon my countenance,
oh, ye of little faith. There are countless numbers who live in the
expectancy of my coming. In truth, I never left.
"Let him who has ears to hear, let him hear, now.
"You seek me amidst your blindness. You look upon me without recognition.
You touch my hand and know not whom you have touched.
"You proclaim my name and my teachings as it suits you and the
occasion. Awaken, behold the reality of my being that is among you.
"I am the earthquake, wind, and fire.
"I am the still small voice piercing the thunderous tumult.
"I am the peace beyond all understanding.
"I am the light that guides all men to the Father.
"I am the love that overcometh all things.
"lam the light that illumines the minds of men. lam the sustenance
of men's souls.
"I am your life and you are my own.
"I am the very breath you breathe.
"We are one in the Father.
"Do not despair, I will never leave thee nor forsake thee, nor can you
truly forsake me, for we are one.
"Let the old way be gone. It must die and its ashes be blown to the
four corners of the earth. The new is emerging but you must change your
perspective. Do not look for me in the form of a man. The time is not yet.
But look for me in the life that speaks to you in your everyday activities.
You have looked amiss.
"I have no limitations and am not bound by physical dimensions.

"I defy logic and am beyond your conceptual imaginings.
"I live and move and have my being in all there is. You have sought me
amiss.
"My countenance is seen within each face of my Father's creation.
Look upon your brother and see my face.
"Bend over a still pool. Do not be deceived. The image that you see
reflected is my own.
"Do you not see the truth now?
"Learn of me. Take within your hand a leaf, a stone, a drop of water,
and know that nothing exists that does not contain me.
"Have you not known that I am eternal life and therefore recognize
neither the past nor the future? Only the now, that is. Live in the now,
with me.
"I stand in the light, as you stand in the light. But you do not know of
your light. I am here to show you that your light and my light are one and
the same. Once you recognize this divine light to be a part of all that is,
will you then begin to understand your own relationship to life, to your
creator, and thereby to your own sonship eternal.
"I neither slumber nor sleep and you must leant that your soul neither
slumbers nor sleeps. Once you realize this, you are aware of your spiritual
vitality and wakefulness to your high consciousness. In so knowing you
will understand that I am truly closer than your hands and your feet. In
this knowing, in this knowledge, we are one.
"Live in truth. Be truth. Live in beauty. Become an artist in living.
"Live in me and let me express you.
"I reside in all space and no space, all time and no time.
"Once you turn and become a part of my reality, all power is restored
unto you. This is the power that makes you one with all things. This is
the power that will set you free.
"My children, abide in me."
<--end

What do you do with that? I mean, what kind of filter's were at work inside the mind of NVP (DECORATOR)? Is it the experiential/cultural overlay of NVP, the mind of the entity, or both? One would think "both." But how much is whom? To me it sounds like Christian/Eastern theology/cosmology, specifically modified for New Agers. I don't know what to do with it.
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RamonThompson,

I appreciate the tip. =)
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Bob got very poetic every now and then, while other times he was fairly objective (relatively so, I guess). When I read his trilogy I think I mentally downplayed the poetic portions, since he was so matter-of-fact in Journeys Out Of The Body and that was the first impression I had of him.

Oh, and Rosalind has another book out published in the last few years, FYI.
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JoshM,
Soul Journeys is Rosalind's second book. It is interesting but IMO not quite as good as Cosmic Journeys. Being able to read more of the Explorer transcripts was the big draw for me and although I too fought with some of the language and concepts contained therein, I found a lot of useful information in there. I struggled more with those in the second book but it is a decent read for the most part. She is continuing her exploration in her own way within her own views and that won't resonate with everyone of course.

Roland,
That quote from NVP always perplexed me. It definitely came across much like Christian theology. But with a metaphysical twist that still makes it somewhat interesting to me. What always amazes me, with Rosalind or NVP or several others, is the usually skillful use of language that even some professional writers wouldn't be able to come up with. Whether this is due to the focused state of mind of the explorer or actually from some outside guidance, it is impressive even if I don't connect with all of it. Basically, it just seems like it would be impossible to make up on the spot by the majority of people, and this was all recorded as it was spoken.

Tom,
Those early days sure do sound exciting. Right place, right time if there ever was one. Look where you are now. Thanks for helping blaze that trail.

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Yes, it is clear that NPMR+ seems to have a good mix of progress levels, perceptions, and the subjectivity on it all to create quite a wide variety of perspectives on what it all means. But one would almost have to conclude that scenario when you read into the data dump for TC, above. I mean, it's right there in the paragraphs, a situation that's going to provide for the plethora of views and stages of development to whatever order of magnitude.
----
Here's another mind bender:

*Far Journeys*, Monroe
-->begin
p. 48
It should be noted here that reaching this state of trust and communication
and/or association with these friendly entities and beings took
hours and hours of preliminary contact, plus "third party" communication
discussions. It did not happen overnight to the degree indicated here. A
great mass of material provided through such beings had to do with information
of a philosophic nature or suggestions and advice regarding the
persona] well-being of the Explorers involved. In no case was any drug or
any other medication used in any of our experiments.

Moreover, there are indications that a magnetic field is generated of a
type with which our science is unfamiliar. One of the results of this is to
set up magnetic fields in nearby electrical loops as well as audio cables.
Another is to affect nearby magnetic tape to such an extent that a "printthrough"
takes place from one layer of tape to another. The recording
p.49
industry would like very much to know how to do this at a commercial
level. However, of course, the results that we have are not significant
enough to be commercially viable. Not yet, at least.

One night, when we got into our cars parked outside some twenty feet
from booth 2, we found that the batteries were dead in all three cars.
They jump-started quite easily, as it was a summer night, and stayed in
charge afterward. Cars parked on the other side, or sixty feet away, were
unaffected. Thus we learned we had better not park too close to booth 2
during certain experiments with specific Explorers. Exactly why this took
place—and still does so—we don't know.

In the current Explorer group, only two remain from the original team.
The tide of personal events has moved the others away from the area,
their lives visibly altered by the experience. The original material is still
being processed. Meanwhile, more is entering through sessions in our new
lab facility.

Perhaps we need a few more doctors, with other credentials.
<--end

Where have you seen that phenomenon before? How about UFOs? And I've read a lot of data about UFOs that seem to demonstrate multi-dimensional characteristics--abductions too. Maybe you're familiar with this too. But I found this quite interesting.
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Roland,
The event described about the dead car batteries actually occurred while Rosalind McKnight was in that booth. It is discussed further in Cosmic Journeys.
Tom talks about his feelings on UFO's in the London lecture, particularly how they might simply be from another reality frame. I have read several of Whitley Strieber's over the past few years and was struck at the time how similar some of them were to OBE experiences reported by others. They definitely seemed to be happening in an altered state. According to him though some of the physical manifestations might be harder to explain. When Tom says that he can make appearances in other PMRks and interact with the beings there it makes a little more sense.
Tom doesn't seem to be very interested in UFOs but it was an unusual sighting in the sky that prompted me to renew my efforts in this area a few years ago. I never completely abandoned my metaphysical interests over the years but lost focus on many occasions. Since then, culminating in finding MBT and this forum, the interest hasn't waned.
The sighting mentioned above was a light in the night sky that started out as what looked like a shooting star and then sharply zig-zagged across the sky and then changed headings slightly and continued out of sight. The only reason I saw it at all is that I was looking at Arcturus, which Edgar Cayce said represented the focal point for souls leaving this system for the next. Like I said, I had never completely abandoned my interests but this refocused my efforts at the time.
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Ramon,

I concur on the OBE parallels. I have a video by Remote Viewer Ed Dames on UFO phenomena. According to his civilian team, as well as the military team which he managed, UFOs definitely display inter-dimensional characteristics. He discussed a RV session where the observers were describing a UFO as transitioning from one dimension to the next, in significant detail. The last Coast to Coast interview with Strieber was riddled with OBE inferences regarding his own, and other's, encounters. Linda Howe also interviewed a lawyer who'd been involved with "aliens" since he was rather young, but his description of the contacts sounded just like a metaphysical encounter, not a physical, waking-reality event. A psychic told the lawyer he had an implant, yet the psychic volunteered to remove it psychically. (The psychic breeched the subject of aliens with the lawyer, not the reverse, and told him about what he perceived as an implant.) I've also discussed someone's encounter with beings that were obviously of a metaphysical nature, and was told they left something in the mind by which to contact this person again.

The evidences are rather abundant that UFOs and alien encounters are trans-dimensional, in nature. My guess is that the physics rule-set we're so proud of is but a kindergarten version of reality, and that UFO phenomena are utilising rules that lie outside of *our* knowledge. That reads like a "duh" statement--but it seems to be fundamentally accurate, at least.


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